"Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." Matthew 24:35-36

That was Jesus speaking to His disciples about the end of days. There is no one who can know when it ill happen. Repent of your sins, place your faith in Christ. Confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, believe in your heart that He was raised on the third day. Do these and you will be saved. Not by living a "good life". We are all sinners, none is righteous, not even the priest or pastor. God is a just judge. We must all account for every lie, every hateful thought, every act of sin. Those who place their faith in Christ will not pay the penalty for their sins spending an eternity in hell. Those who have placed their faith in Christ have their sins forgiven and will spend eternity in heaven.

Which makes about as much sense as the Mayan calendar predicting the end of the world.

Only God nows the end of the world. Not NASA , scientist or stupid logic and calanders.

All of this doomsday talk is nothing but nonsense and a way for some people to make money off of people's unfounded fears. Nothing will happen. I still plan on waking up on the 22nd, enjoy a large cup of coffee, and spend the morning playing video games. You know, like I do pretty much every Sunday that has happened so far.

Scientists say the sun is about halfway through it's life and that it'll run out of hydrogen and heluium to burn in about 4 billion years. Then it'll expand and envelop the earth.

So, I'm willing to wait.

@Mike , yes stupid logic . Only God will end the world. NASA and others don't know squat about the end of the world and no one else. . Only crazier believers agree with stupid predictions.

I think people that believe the end of the world is near, should be insitutionalized.

I bet God gets a snicker out of people when they try and predict his sole decision on the destruction of the world. Only God knows.

Why do some people believe everything they read? The only thing I “hate” is dangerous dogma and blind, willful ignorance -- which unfortunately is in limitless supply when it comes to religion. You’re gone. And, like generations past, you are trying your best to perpetuate the baseless, science-denying myth-cycle with your kids – just as all the other religious folks are doing with theirs.

I am willing to take the "risk" of my religious beliefs being right. I believe the Bible is the living word of God, and would rather base my eternity on that. Not on some theory that a man named Darwin made up, or some other atheist "belief". If I am wrong, what harm have I caused? If you are wrong, you will spend an eternity in hell wishing you had listened to the Truth.

Hell isn't a threat , it's actually a fact.

Tractriciously what's your proof. The Bible writings are actual facts from the very beginning of Jesus and his works and that of God.

People are incurably religious, or spiritual. The need to find meaning or some sort of guidance in an ancient calendar makes sense, I suppose, in the light of that.

The comments above have veered off the subject of the Mayans to the writings of a culture that knew nothing of the Mayans--and almost none of the remarks, either by skeptics or believers, have been kind or reasonable--although I suppose this is all a matter of definition.

To Mike Bruno---

The list of Gospel quotes that you use above is interesting. But commentators generally interpret those remarks of Jesus' in light of the fact that He did, also, say that "no man knows the day or the hour"--Himself included in this case--of the Second Coming and its related events.. Other eschatological events, such as the Transfiguration (which occurred right after the remarks in Matthew 1`6:28) or the resurrection---or the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple (Matthew 28:39)--may have been foreshadowings or a taste of what was to come, and this is what Jesus meant---or the first and second comings may be considered all "of a piece" in an eschatological program that, obviously, is still ongoing.

If Jesus said He Himself did not know the day or the hour, then it is unlikely that He really meant that things would happen in the life of the generation He spoke to. But Jerusalem DID get clobbered and the Temple destroyed--and He told His followers to flee the region when they saw these things coming to pass--which they did.

Only one person knows the end of the world and that's the almighty creator ! G-O-D

The Mayans couldn't even predict their own demise, where are they? and why don't we speak mayan. *sarcasm* But if any of you do believe the end is on Dec 21st - I'll take your paid for home, car and any other possessions you own off your hand. You won't need them anyway and I'll take good care of them.

Scientists who research and study the DNA of species and plant matter have admitted that DNA is too complex for it possibly to have been formed through chance in a primordial soup mix as Darwin suggested. Anyone who believes this (Darwinism) has not done their own research. They are relying on what Other people want them to believe. I for one do research and seek truth. I weigh the results and decide what to believe.
I do not believe the end of the world is coming on Friday Dec. 21. And even if it is, I will be going home. For Thousands of years in every culture there has been some form of higher deity but in this day and age, people will believe in ghosts, aliens, demons and evil in general and go to mediums to make contact with deceased loved ones and have their future told to them but they can't believe that there is one true God "I am" and Jesus "Yeshua" was his son who came/sent here to save us of our iniquities and win once and for all against Lucifer to take the sting out of death, so through Christ we can be saved and have no fear of death. So no matter what happens you should not fear of death or of anything for that matter. Put your trust in Him, call out to him and ask to be forgiven of your sins.
I could write the entire passage, but obviously anyone reading this could research and find the passage of importance. Luke 21:7-36. This is when the end will come. We are in these times now, but you don't have to be afraid or worried about it.

If the world is not going to end, then why did the government, build an ark a few years ago?

When I was a child there were predictions that the world would end. One of those stories was rather funny. One old boy got all set and prepared to meet his maker. Then, waiting for Jesus he sat on a hay stack. Some mean boys learned of this and went and lite the hay stack. Can you imagine the surprise for the old boy--he was waiting for Jesus and all of a sudden the flames of the haystack surrounded him. And he thought he was going to heaven.

Screw these idiots that try and predict the end if the world.
Here is the real reason!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9afXNm-klM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

What's next idiots running around and saying the sky is falling.

Today the sky IS falling. It's raining pretty good here.
Does that make me an idiot, Vera?

It doesn't take an idiot to see it's raining or cloudy outside, but an idiot to say the sky is falling and the end of the World is tomorrow. Idiots!!!

Thanks for your input bluebird, but I don't care for Obama at all. He's not my type of Christian , which he claims too be. As far as the elderly they aren't idiots , but fall into the category of senility or dementia that make things Irrational to them, it's part of the aging processes. People with sound minds or are supposedly sane and think the world is ending tomorrow, their minds are are in left field.

The constitution allows free speech and this forum allows Vera and his her cohort lunatics and sociopaths the right to be heard or read what a waste of our short time! Vera and her-his wacko haters are as bad as the looney Westboro Baptists they have the same fundy beliefs it is a diversion their predators pound into empty skulls to divert the conversation, when do we think his-her will say they hate Obama BECAUSE HE IS killing innocents and terrorists alike by Drones?
Nah that would open the conservation on the Plutocrats and Oligarchs or the same CORP that bankrolled TWIT`are paying for his INAUGURATION!

I do not know whom you believe "Vera" to be. But the level of conversation in this forum has taken some strange turns. We were supposed to be discussing the Mayan calendar--an interesting thing in itself--but that faded from view long ago. This happens often in conversations. You hardly recall where things started. I don't think anyone but you would connect "the looney Westboro Baptists" with what has gone on here. I tried watching an online sermon by the head of the Westboro church--and the only reason I lasted eleven minutes was because I was trying to get a grasp of the point the man was making. That is a small church made up solely of family members--recessive genes coming out--and amounting to about 40 people total. The fact that they meet apart from other churches and outside all denominations should tell you something. And from here we go to Obama killing both innocents and terrorists with drones? Before we know it, we will be exchanging recipes for your grandson's birthday cake. (Yes, I am being silly.)

I like the drones and they kill the enemy with a few innocent people as collateral damage , which unfortunately will happen from time to time. That's war.

BUTCH are you prepared for the world to end in a few hours? Not.

VERA , I was in Istanbul in Dec 1999 when all of the 1% Banksters and Illuminati were at a Black sea resort on a island to observe their NEW AGE planet X or something like this in 2,000, TWIT'S and his partners were there along with BUSH 41 and the Euro and some other ARAB royals awaiting ??
if the MAYA'S are right I will see u in hell in 40 minutes! ho ho

Wow BUTCH the world didn't end! Let's hear from the idiots again with their predictions in a few years. And BUTCH I think I would have gone to purgatory first.

Shucks what happened we all are still here.

Well, physically, anyway.

Sentinel I think I'll stickn around with u to the end,
Bluebird u mention Moses as one of he educated who WROTE the book of Moses? Was that after the Book of Enoch? What version of the good book was it in?
VERA I did purgatory in a earlier time sort of like going to a BEARS game, me thinks the real idiots or Bear fans will be screaming for Lovie to be sent to HELL after the Red birds not (bluebirds) kick their butts again!

There should be a new club called "We are absolute idiots that predicts the end if the World"

My Christmas will be a great one with the celebration of the birth of baby Jesus.

Sentinel keep the faith, Bluebird the books of and dogmas of the various sects and cults were not after all decided at NICEA or MILAN! I am no believer in any of the mythologies and certainly not VERA'S religion that the predators are selected by revelation,
in it's history and inquisitions of the RC CHURCH that led to more schism's and National churches based on civil and rights of inheritance which had nothing to do with the input by god nor the selection of the Pope himself.
The pagan solar gods of Egypt, Mesopotamia, Persia, Rome and transit of the planet are also celebrated by more former Christians and pagans who were never members of the big three or four and all of this means there are fewer predators are on the pulpits we hope!
The Church has more than their share of secret lodges that range from MASON p3 to OPUS DEI and mucho more run by schizo Plutocrat's whose idea of heaven on earth is a 99cent a hr child-slave labor camp in heathen RED CHINA.
i was referring to your" Book of Moses in the bible" REPLY and was attempting to be humorous since I did not know of either Books and now i am more confused on authorship!
U say it was BRIG YOUNG or JOE SMITH back her in Illinois or at the SALT LAKE?

Butch.....You run from thought to thought, and your thinking is based on presuppositions that are not mine. You have brought up a lot of issues which take a longer time than I want to take right now. You also seem to hold onto various conspiracy ideas that I do not hold onto. I am not Catholic and I am not LDS and I will not condemn or discuss either. But "predators" are in all sorts of places, not just in pulpits....and not every nun or priest--or even the majority (I am trying to be fair)--is a closet pedophile. Similarly....not every "pagan" or worshipper of another religion is a saint. Chrisitanity has brought literacy, health education, and other good things to many parts of the world....regions that worshipped "pagan solar gods" or some other deity that just told people their situation was a product of something in their past lives---so endure!

And this is not to say that every Christian has behaved wonderfully.

And yes, the LDS church holds a number of books sacred which orthodox (small "o" orthodox) Christianity does not accept. The Muratorian Canon of about 150 A.D. had essentially the current list of canonical New Testament books in it. The Book of Revelation, however, has always been controversial--and its interpretation still is.

But I did answer your original query about the date of the Book of Enoch. Merry Christmas!!

i don't think every priest, Bishop or nun are preadators only the one's who support Tparty candidates like Dolan of NY who was the paymaster who paid 20,000 to each predator priest! Along with the BAIN original investors the ARENA PARTY and murderers of Arch Bishop Romero and the Maryknoll nuns back when Bain was a idea they made it happen, do u think they are on the side of the Angels?
As for a conspiracy agenda it is far worse than that, I don't drink anyone's KOOL AID, TODAY I am curious about the visit of POPE BEN to the ILUMINATI MAFIA jail to personally fire his household servant for LEAKING embarrassing Vatican sworn to secrecy documents and info on a variety of subjects like the assassination of a Pope and the Billions of PETER'S PENCE looted and secured by worthless derivatives that goes back to the CICERO PRIEST and his Swiss as in TWIT and friends like Shelly Adelson and the Red Chinese Triad associates and the SUSPICIOUS suicides on London bridge of other VATICAN BANKER ASSOCIATES, but that's not for this forum i am just reminding VERA we're here, u are must too serious for VERA TO APPRECIATE.

BUTCH who gives a crap about the crap that you spew. It's all irrelevant and baseless in this day and age we live.

Well Bluebird is a upgrade from VERA'S last cohort who closed the thread with his potty mouth ,what do u do in yer present day job bluebird besides editing primitive Latin fragments?
Vera goes to shopping malls wearing her disgusting T shirts anti abortion rallies where disciples of charlatan christian Pat Robertson the crackers Pope and Billionaire,hold hands with the former enemy RC protestors of the beloved the Cardinals George the predator protector and DOLAN the predator paymaster,
I can't forget 2000 one of the reasons for the election result was the RC BISHOPS endorsement of DUBYA along with the Supreme court and then the unholy Bishops and the Pope had second thoughts after the invasion of IRAQ, tough to be the leaders of the oldest Christians on the Planet who are victims of massive bombings(collateral l as Vera said" so what" it is war for Helliburton-blackwater and the entire 1% stooges of the TPARTY,so we engage in ove fests of hate that VERA is the master of and u get the IDEA?
Actually bluebird I could care less on yer opinion of being Articulate, yer good manners and defense of VERA is admirable especially if u are still driving a cab and read a lot of mythology or disinfo on the OT as well as NT.
Vera just hates it when the dot's and t's are connected such as Sheldon and ARENA = drugs-prostitution -money laundering= CAYMANS-SWITZ and TWIT with a DEM rather than moderate GOP in the WH and AG it would not be possible how's that for a conspiracy?

BUTCH disgusting T shirt ? No one has the gonades to stop me or can even doing anything about it.

I see the spirit of Christmas is alive and not-so-well here.

Make that Vera models inappropriate TSHIRTS for transsexual predators who share her views on genocide, child -slave labor and murdering Latin American Archbishops, nuns and a million Chinese who share her faith.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS to all and to all a good couple of nights.